Fatwire “Rescues” Interwoven and Vignette

Forrester recently named Fatwire a Leader in their WCM for external Sites Quadrant. And the folks at Fatwire have already called two of their fellow-quads (for the lack of a better term), Interwoven and Vignette as legacy WCM products! Incidentally, Interwoven sits nicely in the Leader quadrant in the same report and was also named the fastest growing ecm vendor by rival analyst firm Gartner. (Yeah, yeah I know -  the report by Forrester is on WCM and the other one by Gartner is on ECM).

On a more serious note though, Fatwire has been making some news in recent times. Among other things, recently they announced a rescue program for “legacy” Interwoven and Vignette customers - an offer to move to Fatwire at no license cost (only the support costs). They have announced this offering in partnership with Vamosa and Kapow. Vamosa and Kapow both have content migration offerings and compete in this space. Fatwire says they both add value to this proposition. I suspect they have partnered with both because Vamosa, along with expertise in many aspects of content migration, has connectors for Interwoven and Vignette while Kapow has connectors for Fatwire. Any content migration scenario will require both set of connectors - one set that exports from interwoven or vignette and one set that imports into Fatwire. You could obviously roll up your own migration scripts by publishing from Interwoven/Vignette as XML and then using Fatwire’s XMLPost or BulkLoader to import into Fatwire. But then the offer for free licenses wouldn’t be free or would it?

BTW, even though Fatwire’s release mentions these as partners, neither of these two have issued their press release nor have mentioned it on their respective sites. I think that’s natural because they probably have partnerships with those “legacy” vendors :)

This is an interesting and I’d say an aggressive move by Fatwire. After all there are only few niche WCM vendors remaining and they are one of them. There is a clear divergence happening in the marketplace - On the one hand, there are more web oriented scenarios (Web Content Management, Site Management, Portals, Web Sites and so on) and on the other hand are more repository/management oriented scenarios (Document Management, Records Management). The requirements, challenges as well as decision makers (and stake holders) for both these areas are usually different. Fatwire for one has been focusing on and targeting the needs of interactive marketers which usually fall under the former category of web oriented scenarios (or Web Experience Management, as they like to call it). While many other products have been diversifying horizontally. Call it vertical Vs horizontal diversification if you will.

If there was any time to go aggressive, this was possibly it when the two other big ones have been acquired. Interwoven and Vignette, though can by no means be called ”Legacy”, even though they have been acquired. There are probably a few customers out there who are not convinced about Interwoven’s and Vignette’s future after their acquisition by Autonomy and OpenText respectively. But then, as Forrester’s Tim Walters says on his blog, there are many customers out there, including Fatwire customers who are unhappy with their current implementation. So nothing stops the other vendors to come out with this kind of offer for existing Fatwire customers. In fact, as Tony Byrne says, there’s nothing new in these kind of Competitive upgrades.

If you indeed take up this offer, remember that even though there is no license cost, there are quite a few other costs apart from the support costs that you would have paid to Vignette or Interwoven. Here’s Irina’s post on real costs of implementation.

For one, you will have to work with Fatwire’s “proven migration tools and services” which probably means you will need to work with Fatwire, Vamosa and Kapow’s professional services. All the three products (Interwoven, Vignette and Fatwire) have decent mechanisms for importing and exporting content. So content migration per se is certainly not the most challenging aspect. In particular, when you migrate from Interwoven to Fatwire, there are many other challenges depending on what version of TeamSite you are using. TeamSite’s delivery templates are totally different from those of Fatwire’s. If you are using the Perl based PTs (Presentation Templates) and doing a static publishing, your challenges are even bigger. There are many other issues as well - different ways of defining assets, all the complex customizations, different storage (XML Vs Database), workflows and so on.  Vignette, although more similar to Fatwire than Interwoven in terms of architecture, will also have similar challenges. Apart from technical challenges, any content management implementation and content migration has its own sets of challenges in terms of user training, ensuring content quality (Vamosa has some useful offerings here as well), different skill sets and so on. Here’s a nice take on different issues by Jon

I could write a big article on just the differences between Fatwire and Vignette/Interwoven and resulting challenges but the point is that don’t assume it is only about ”content” migration. You will need to budget for many other things as well.

Random Notes on EMC World

These are some observations, in no particular order. I will possibly post some “more sensible” posts on specific topics later.

  • It was first time for me at EMC World and I thought the focus was much more on storage and infrastructure as compared to content management. They did certainly much better though in terms of integrating CMA (Content Management and Archival) with the overall EMC World. A lot of people who I talked to thought it was actually much better than that in the past when CMA folks felt quite out of place.
  • A big theme at the conference was about building social communities. Joe Tucci, the EMC Chairman started his key note with some statistics on tweets about the EMC World. He spoke about how EMC is working to give its customers more choice, better control and improved efficiencies. There was a dedicated blogger’s lounge, set up by Len Devanna and his team, which provided a great informal environment for bloggers and tweeps to come together and socialize. I am glad I was able to meet Laurence (pie), Len and Stu. There were other lounges on similar lines and in particular, the Momentum lounge provided a good place for Documentum users to meet.
  • Then there was CMA president Mark Lewis’ key note. He talked of ROI as return on information.
  • I was particularly interested in EMC’s initiatives around Customer Communication Management (or rather around their xPression product which came via the acquisition of Doc Sciences). Although, there were a few (and good) sessions on this, I was hoping for a bigger presence. They had a small, not so prominent booth within a large EMC booth.
  • Another interesting announcement (although this was done a couple of days before EMC World) was about free availability of the developer edition of Documentum. I think this is a great move to increase usage and acceptance of Documentum. EMC claims it takes 23 minutes to get up and running with Documentum, although i suspect it will take much more to download it - It is almost a 2 GB download and has steep RAM requirements (recommended 4 GB although 3 GB would work too) and so it would not be as easy to run it (on a laptop) as it is with some other products.This will essentially enable developers to get their hands dirty which in turn will help in more spreading of Documentum.  The developer edition comes bundled with Jboss and SQL Server Express database.
  • Some claimed that there were 7000 attendees but I felt the number was lower. I also think that number of customers, especially those interested in content management were far less than previous times. Although there were quite a few partners, the big partners were noticeable by their absence.
  • CMIS was reasonably covered. There was a dedicated session by Laurence and Karin Ondricek as well as Victor Spivak covered it in his session on D 6.5 architecture. Laurence demoed the federated CMIS sample application and according to him, the fact that Alfresco and Nuxeo allowed their servers to be up for Documentum conference showed the high amount of cooperation happening on CMIS.
  • Victor was quite clear about the scope of CMIS and more importantly what it is not. According to him, “I” is the most important letter in the acronym and in that sense, the objective is to provide interoperability and not implement more sophisticated features. And so the focus is only on basic services, mashup type of applications and not real business applications which are best handled by proprietary APIs (like DFS) or CMS specific features. He also said If you were to describe 6.5 release in 1 sentence, it would be “high volume services”.
  • There were quite a few sessions on WCM and more “Delivery oriented” aspects like Dynamic delivery, site management, Web 2.0, RIAs and so on. EMC has also latched on to the term Web Experience Management (WEM), something that Vignette and Fatwire have been using for some time. Web Publisher is not yet as sophisticated a platform for WCM and it remains to be seen how they do it.
  • Most of the sessions were EMC specific and by EMC and I think the number of independent sessions should be increased. I attended the one by Jeetu Patel of Doculabs in which he talked about different type of ROI modeling for ECM projects.
  • There were quite a few sessions on CenterStage. Victor talked about the philosophy behind center stage and that was to separate front end completely from business logic and backend because front end technologies have been changing quite often. I think this is an obvious way and wonder why this was not done in Webtop. He also explained the increasing support for restful apis etc. (See Pie’s post here ).
  • There were also few discussions around Lucene replacing FAST search in EMC’s products.

Hello (EMC) World

I’d be traveling over next couple of weeks mainly to attend EMC World in Orlando and meet customers in the US. We have been working on some interesting concepts (Hosted Document Services, Factory Model and ECM Maturity Model) and I will take this opportunity to socialize these and get feedback from our customers.

This is my first time at EMC World and i’ve heard good things about it. I’m  especially looking forward to the Bloggers Lounge.

By the way, we (Wipro) also have a booth at the conference. So if you are there and want to say hello, do drop in.

Open Text acquires Vignette

After Autonomy/Interwoven and Oracle/Sun news, here comes the third big news of the year.

If Unilever can have multiple soaps and GM can have multiple car models, why can’t a Content Management vendor have multiple products? OT’s acquisition of Vignette points to this increasing “commoditization” of Content Management marketplace. 

There may be a lot of overlaps in products across OT and Vignette but we all know that one size does not fit all and so why not have different products for different scenarios, different price points, different technology stacks and different requirements?  OT now has multiple options for Document Management, DAM, WCM etc plus a bonus portal server that they lacked before. They had a portal integration kit (PIK) that exposed LiveLink’s functionality as portlets that could be deployed on some of the portal servers (but not VAP and Sun as far as I know).

There’s some good analysis here  and here.

 

On a side note, I think people who worked closely with Vignette knew it coming. A colleague of mine told me this:

One Singapore based vignette customer we were talking to  suddenly went quiet and our sales guy spotted him meeting OpenText. Another one who we were talking to, suddenly decided not to continue with Vignette and decided to migrate to Day communiqué. A senior person in Vignette Singapore joined OpenText about 2-3 months back – and was not replaced. There were many other signs in the way Vignette was handling people and partnerships that showed something is on.

I always considered Interwoven, Vignette and Fatwire (Open Market, Divine and FutureTense before that) as the leaders and pioneers in pure play Web Content space. With Interwoven and Vignette gone, what does this mean for the WCM marketplace? An end of the era?

Oracle buys Sun

Oracle announced it will acquire Sun.

Another big Portal/Content Management vendor is now an infrastructure vendor. Sometimes I wonder if  everything will soon become an appliance - you buy a Solaris box and it will come bundled not only with the OS (obviously) but also with WebCenter (or one of the numerous Oracle Portal type products), Content Server and so on. IBM, EMC and Microsoft can do this already in some sense.

Sun had open sourced its entire JES or Java ES (Java Enterprise System) sometime back and more recently dropped the JES Portal Server in favor of a partnership with Liferay. The result was WebSynergy, Sun’s branded portal based on Liferay’s codebase. It is not clear how Oracle will continue this partnership and frankly  they already have too many portal kind of offerings to continue with this. However, I think Liferay has a strong offering (and recently opened a new office in India) and will continue to be a good open source alternative whether or not Oracle continues this partnership.

The other component of JES that might have some relevant features is probably Sun Java Communications Suite which has features for collaboration  - things like calendar, messaging, Instant messenger as well as support for mobile communications. Some of these could be good additions to Oracle’s Fusion.

On a different note though, Janus had this to say on twitter:

Oracle buys sun - now Oracle has 5 enterprise portals! a new commercial for Larry: 5 out of 12 most significant portals are powered by ORCL

In spite of that, they had to resort to static pages!?

Content Repositories - Coexistence, Migration and Consolidation

Many of our customers have more that one content repositories. So we often get into situations where there is a need for:

  1. Coexistence: Business requires these multiple repositories to exist simultaneously. This could be because there are different applications for different requirements or because the migration effort is so huge that it is not possible to retire one system immediately. So there is a need for a common interface so that business users can access all the repositories without knowing they are different. They should be able to checkin from one, checkout to another and generally work on multiple repositories as if there was a single backend system.
  2. Migration: Because of multiple reasons (licensing, satisfaction etc), there is a requirement to move content from one system to another. Or perhaps deploying content from a content repository to a delivery channel.
  3. Consolidation: To save costs (licensing, training, infra), they want to consolidate to less number of repositories.

Now obviously, in any of these scenarios, it becomes very important to do content inventory, content analysis and mapping, taxonomy assessment and so on. However, when the content size is huge (some of our customers have terabytes and more of content, that too in the form of huge documents), it becomes important to automate the migration process to the extent possible. What this essentially means is that you need to have an intermediate layer that can talk to source and target repositories and move content across. Depending on whether you want coexistence or migration, the intermediate layer would need to be two way (read and write) or just one way (import or export). I can think of three ways to achieve this:

  1. Roll your own: This possibly provides most flexibility but needs maximum time to develop. You essentially write your own code that exports content from source, does transformation and cleansing and then finally imports it to the target repository. Most decent content management systems provide APIs that can be used in conjunction with code to achieve this.
  2. Use connectors/features provided by CMS vendors: Many CMS vendors provide some mechanism for importing and exporting. They might even provide some way of importing content from “specific” systems.
  3. Use third party tools

I have been doing some research and have come across these vendors who can help you automate this process to a great extent:

EntropySoft

EntropySoft provides an amazing collection of two way connectors for 30 or so different repositories. These connectors have the ability to read from and write to these repositories. They essentially provide two mechanisms:

A Content Federation Server which is a web application. It allows you to configure these repositories and exposes the functionality via a web interface. So using this interface you can access these repositories and your business users will not know that they are different repositories. So as an example, you can check out a policy document from Documentum and check it in FileNet. The same interface also lets you do migration from one to another, create tasks that will automatically migrate as and when a document is updated in one. In the screenshot below, you can see Livelink, Alfresco, FileNet and some other repositories shown.

EntropySoft Web Interface

EntropySoft Web Interface

Configure new repo

Configure new repo

Now this interface is simplistic in the sense that you can do an as-is migration. For more complex migration where you have to transform content, map metadata from source to destination, map permissions, users and roles, it provides an ETL product which is an eclipse based environment. Using this ETL, you can create complex migration processes, using drag and drop.

etl

etl

EntropySoft also works with many search engines for creating federated search applications.

The best thing about EntropySoft is its ease of setup. You can actually get up and running and start an as-is migration (meaning no transformation, no mapping) in just about 15-20 minutes (abt 7-10 minutes for setting up source and destination each). I think where they lag is possibly in terms of having connectors for more web content management systems.

OpenMigrate

OpenMigrate is an open source alternative from TSG.  Currently they have adaptors for Documentum, Alfresco, JDBC, FileSystem. I believe they are probably working on sharepoint and filenet connectors as well.

Vamosa

Vamosa is also a good alternative. To me it appears that their strength lies in web content management. Here’s a list of their connectors. I think Vamosa’s differentiation is that they not only focus on connectors but holistically look at migration. So they have some good products that help you with all the steps that I mentioned above - content inventory, analysis etc and then migration.

Many people have said that with something like CMIS (if and when it becomes a standard), there will be an adverse impact on the connector industry. I actually think it will actually be good for these connector vendors because they would be able to use CMIS instead of relying on proprietary APIs of each repository. Plus I think connecting to a repository is only one, although an important aspect. There is a lot more that goes along with connecting to a repository - transformation, ability to map source data to target repository, reporting, exception management and so on and that is where such products add a lot of value.

Do you know of any other products in this space? What do you think of these?

ECM Maturity Model

Or ECM3 was released yesterday.

We’ve worked on it for some time now and it has been an excellent experience for me, personally and professionally. There’s a companion site that hosts the model and where we’ll discuss it. As Tony Byrne says, it is a V1 and the idea is to let the community participate and make it more robust.  Feel free to comment and give us your feedback. If you’d like to participate and be a part of it, here’s the link.

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